Trento’s Take: The Other Other Iraq

The Kurds call themselves the other Iraq. They even have an advertising campaign:

Have you seen the Other Iraq?
It’s spectacular.
It’s peaceful.
It’s joyful.
Fewer than two hundred US troops are stationed here.
Arabs, Kurds and Westerners all vacation together.

What this Kurdish PR campaign omits is that the hospitable Kurds hire the U.S. generals and diplomats who helped them – the former U.S. government officials who made the other Iraq possible.

I bet you didn’t know there is another other Kurdish Iraq. It’s based in Washington, D.C., in a beautiful, revamped multi-million dollar building. It uses a plagiarist as its spokesperson. It hires former military generals who commanded U.S. troops and rewards former diplomats with oil deals. It maintains several homes in the Washington area and runs up Newt-Gingrich-sized jewelry store accounts. It gives away $25,000 watches for gifts.

The equivalent of Mario Puzo’s The Godfather is playing out in the Kurdish region of Iraq. Its two main political families grow wealthier by the day on the oil riches. They build huge mansions back home with large staffs and private jets. They own radio and television stations and control the media. The Talabani and Barzani families have made a temporary peace as they divide up the riches of power and use former American generals and diplomats to tend to the details of keeping Washington happy enough so the Kurdish gravy train does not run off the tracks. That makes our generals and diplomats working for these two political gangs the equivalent of the corrupt New York police official who Michael Corleone dispatches in the novel.

The two main Kurdish political parties have friendly former U.S. general officers, starting with Jake Garner, on their payroll to do their bidding in Washington. They are the best ex-generals (and a few diplomats) that money can buy.

The generals who sent our young soldiers to war in Iraq are cashing in by serving the interests of families who are fundamentally refusing to share Iraq’s oil wealth which is leading to more conflict and death. It is a mindlessly corrupt former U.S. general officer corps that will do anything for cash and a business class ticket.

And now there is trouble back home. The wealth is not being shared beyond these two political families. The gleaming new business hubs of Kurdistan offer little to those who are not members of the clans. The people who are not affiliated with either clan are protesting the mansions and brazen corruption that is the new Kurdistan, increasingly with violence.

When things get out of hand, the Kurdish leaders call in the vaunted peshmergas to take care of the troublemakers. Protests, after all, are bad for business, and business is booming in Kurdistan.

There is no democracy, only corruption. One Kurdish candidate says, “Money is everything on the ground. They buy votes. It’s the only reason they are in power. …No banks. Envelopes. If you are not with the Kurdish party, you have nothing. There are no government books. No accounting. It’s a cash society.”

Most average Kurds do not get to live in huge mansions or stay in luxury hotels made possible by American blood and tax money and our pliable former military officers and fast buck ex-diplomats.

Iraqi President Talabani’s slipping of cash to wounded warriors during visits at Walter Reed is an image of a man who had the most to profit from U.S. intervention handing out tips to American soldiers who sacrificed body parts to make his oil empire possible.

We at the National Security News Service helped unearth the scandal that became David Barstow’s Pentagon consultants’ story a few years ago. We know a great deal about American general officers who peddle their reputations to sell wars and military hardware. These guys are nothing more than mercenaries who wrap themselves in the flag and get wealthy on the backs of the men and woman they once commanded.

The photographs of our very best generals and diplomats rushing to the Kurdish faction to cash in make this tawdry tail even uglier. General officers get a decent pension. They get medical care and PX privileges.

How much money is enough? When does going on the payroll of Kurdish political bosses or others profiting from the wars become conduct unbecoming?

Joseph Trento

Joseph Trento

Joseph Trento has spent more than 35 years as an investigative journalist, working with both print and broadcast outlets and writing extensively. Before joining the National Security News Service in 1991, Trento worked for CNN's Special Assignment Unit, the Wilmington News Journal, and prominent journalist Jack Anderson. Trento has received six Pulitzer nominations and is the author of five books, including Prelude to Terror, The Secret History of the CIA, Widows, and Prescription for Disaster. Joe currently serves as the editor of DCBureau.org.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

    Lies! lies!! I only read through half of your article, I am afraid to say that it is not worth reading the rest because all of your claims about these two “gangs” that you mention are just non sense baseless lies. I bet the Kurdistan Regional Government and its leaders have disappoined you somehow for other reasons than those you claim here- which is the only possibility to explain the curse that you and people like yourself such Micheal Rubin wish for on the KRG. By the way and as seen on TVs numerous times., Kurdish leaders, like Talabani, still travel on military jets which appear to be from the US Army than “private” jets!!

    Therefore I would suggest that you do your homework better sir! Just so your future artciles wouldn’t be this baseless!   

  • Rashaba

    cheap article.

    • Sharazoor

      That is not cheap that is reality.

  • Kardo Osman

    Great article, as an writer and editor of a Kurdish news independent, i couldn’t write it better. Nothing, but absolute truth word by word. Looking forward to read further articles of this kind. let’s unveil the civil war lords who is responsible for 35000 death, let’s unveil the corrupt tribal leaders who have confiscated power for more than two decades. 

    • Juwamer

              Dr Nebez  Juwamer   
       
       It has just been revealed that
      the two Kurdish mafia families of Barzani and Talabani transfer the Kurdistan
      Regional Government’s (KRG) share of oil revenue, which is between 20%, 40% and
      50% of each contract with different oil companies, to two third party
      companies, one for Barzani family and one for Talabani family company, without
      any participation of these companies in the oil industry at any stage. The KRG
      does not get a dollar out of the 30 existing oil contracts. The oil revenue
      does not appear in the KRG budget as the money directly siphoned into the
      pockets of these two warlords.

                    The USA Regional Reconstruction Team (RRT) and
      USA generals sided with the warlords in April 2011 and approved the crack down
      on demonstrators in Erbil and Suleymaniah. The RRT leader in Kurdistan Alex
      Laskaris behaved like a cowboy in the last days of demonstrations in Kurdistan
      and one of the USA generals went to the Freedom Square in Suleymaniah to inspect
      troops one day after removing protestors forcefully from this place. I am sure
      at the end of their services in Kurdistan, those US officials will be looked
      after by Barzani and Talabani families very well!

                    The USA repeating the same
      mistake in Iraq, which has been doing in the Middle East since the time of cold
      war, namely siding with the Authoritarian rulers against their oppressed
      citizens in order to secure the oil flow and better arrangements for its
      National Security. Iraq is effectively part of Iran. She is run by a bunch of greedy
      corrupt politicians who want to consolidate their grips on power to secure
      their share from the wealth of Iraq nothing else. Iraq was a failed state and
      remains so in the hand of current political blocks. We just waiting for the disaster
      to happen when the interests of these political blocks clash or when the USA
      troops are withdrawn from Iraq, and Iran wants to run the country the way she
      wants by proxy.

      • Sarakurdi

        Freedom of
        Speech and Democracy is BS to me. Why did not BBC and CNN talk about the
        protest rallies in Sulaimnaiya?

    • Dilshad Xoshnaw

      greeting to Malmö/Sweden.

  • Safeen

    I agree with Mr. Trento, One of the President Barzani’s top advisers is former U S Army Colonel Harry Schut, who was in charge of the U S forces in the Kurdistan Region in 2003, he finished his time in Iraq, went back to the U S A, after retirement he returned right back and took his current position as Barzani’s adviser. If Mr. Hawraman Ali whom have commented on this article has any idea what is done with the oil money in the Kurdistan region he might be of good use here in Kurdistan because neither the former prime minister Nechervan Barzani nor the current one Dr. Barham Saleh can account for the big sum that is missing, Nechervan says “it was there when turned over the government”, Barham says “It was not there when I took over”. They both have reassured of that in front of the press. 

  • Kurdishcitizen

    Great article,  I don’t know who Rashba and Hawraman Ali
    are but it is very obvious they are part of the Barzani and Talabani clans and
    the corruption that plagues KRG.  My questions
    to them are:

    1-     
    Is
    it not true that the two Kurdish clans (Barzani and Talabani) are stealing the nation’s
    wealth for themselves?  

    2-     
    Is
    it not true that no one knows what happens to 17% Iraq’s budget that is given
    to KRG? Where is the transparency?

    3-     
    Is
    it not true that the Barzani and Talabani families are all in high paid positions
    no matter how minuscule their qualifications? Nepotism, Nepotism like never
    seen before.

    4-     
    Does
    the recent crackdown on the peaceful protesters in Suli not show these clans
    are nothing but bunch a small dictators and given the opportunity they will do
    worse than Saddam?

    Since the 60’s
    these two clans have been nothing but a disgrace to our nation.  Who started the internal war in 60’s, 70 and
    90’s? After all those young Kurdish lives were wasted by both Talabani and
    Barzani,  Talabani tells us that he made
    a mistake for splitting from KDP in the 60s. What a shameless leader. How can
    you forget 31 August 1996 When Barzani sold the Kurdish Cause to
    Saddam and joined forces with
    Saddam to eliminate PUK? Saddam is the man who committed genocide against our
    people, Saddam who killed  Barzani’s
    brothers and 5000 Barzani families and sent Massoud’s father, Mala Mustafa, to
    die in exile. These are not leaders but traitors and should be tried for treason.

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    hee Mr Hawraman Ali, what is Mr Joseph Trento say It is true, you are a cozen of Ashti Hawrame which he is the engineer of the oil scandal in Iraqi Kurdistan, just look at this site:   http://www.dailymail.co.uk

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    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

      Dear Mr. Sardar and KurdishCitizen,

      It is so unfortunate
      that some Kurds are so radicals like yourselves, the philosophy you go by is
      “if you are not with me then you must be my enemy”. You see the world
      in plain black and white and God if you were to ever take power in Kurdistan you
      would massacre no less then half of Kurdistan.
      You are radicals! Look at history, radicals are the once that are responsible
      for every drop of blood that has been shed on this earth. From Adolf Hitler to Saddam Hussein
      and so on. All that these people had in common was there fundamentalism and
      inability to accept a second opinion.

      As for your prejudice that I am connected to the KRG, Bazani or Talibany in
      anyway, as for you Kak Sardar, just judging by my nick which is similar to
      Ashti “Hawrami”. I declare my world in front of anyone that reads
      this that I will donate one of my Kidney’s  VOLUNATREELY and HAPPILY to
      anyone that you (Kak Sardar and KurdishCitizen) wish me to donate. Does that convince
      you? Are you now ready to apologise for judging people just by their names?

      Mr. Sardar just imagine you having an AK47 and in charge of a group of armed
      men and in a war zone stopping someone like me in a check point. I have no
      doubt that you would shoot me outright just because my name is related to that
      of Ashti “Hawramai”. This only explains the so called “freedom, justice
      and democracy” that you and your liked talk about. Anyhow, in no way I am
      defending Talabani or Barzani, so please kindly do not waste my time with that matter.

      Furthermore, Kurdistan now needs people that
      have the ability to reform, to put a stone over another one, not to destroy
      and call for bloodshed. It is such fundamentalism that must take the blame for
      the miseries that the humanity has and continues to face.

      I am proud to say that I have a degree in International Relations and Politics
      from a British university and I am also studying Masters in the UK, in the same
      field. That was my opinion on the article which I stated, I do not see the need
      to explain my reasons to anyone.

      But in short, I am not against you, I am against your radical ideas, I am for refom in Kurdistan not for killings!!

      Kak Sardar Kurds for over 3000 years have been divided and
      ruled. It seems that, that policy still works, other can still divide and rule
      us. If you get my point!

      P.s. I shall await your kind replies to prove that I am connected to Ashti
      Hawrami, Barzani or Talabani or even the KRG for that matter in any way
      (financial, political…etc) so that I can donate a kidney and safe a life! If
      you can’t prove that then it is my belief that you are both morally obliged to apologise
      sincerely and revise your sense of justice!!

      Kind Regards.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

      Just in cause if any of you wanted to prove your claims and wanted me to donate the kideny here is my facebook profile.

      https://www.facebook.com/ha.ali

  • Ayub

    thanks for your report,and sorry for mir hawraman which he written that all these lies which is written in this report ist a small part of which the both family did and do in kurdistan ,I think the money ist not very important for us the two family they took or stolen kurdistan income for the last 20 years even sometime they fight for that money as in 1994 till 1996 and they killed and kidnapped mor than 5000 youngs in kurdistan only for money ,but the problem now they wan’t to make the reigon as the same Iraq before for Saddam’s time no one can say any thing and they continue steeling all the good things in kurdistan but the new generation in Kurdistan ater 17/2/2011 they told the two robber family in kurdistan stop ….they can’t continue forever otherwise they got the same future which saddam has got.
    thanks sir again foryour report and I hope that people like you writin all what happen in USA because that’s the other part of the story of the other Iraq.

  • Aso

    I am afraid what the writer is saying is the truth. Kurdistan is plagued by corruption and it astonishing some my fellow kurds are so sensitive to any criticism .My fellow kurds it is about time we relaised that our leaders are bunch of thiefs and as long as they are in power the dream of an independent Kurdistan will never come to frution.

  • Kamyar

    it’s all true, and you have mentioned nothing yet. These two
    family ( Barzani and Talabani) the most corrupted family are not only among the
    Kurdish population but in the entire region

    I hope many western journalists are realizing the real situation
    in Kurdistan. Currently KRG are running by the corrupted mafia from Barazani
    and Talabani families and friends.

    Unfortunately USA is supporting these Mafia organistaions which
    are not representing the majority of people, they are representing their clans
    and their families members. They deceive in every election and shoot young Kurdish
    demonstrators in the latest Kurdistan disobedience against PUK and KDP.

  • Diako

    This is total rubbish. You and those who think like you are the enemies of Kurds who probably are paid by Iran, Turkey or Arabs. No doubt at all. Why you don’t compare the situation in Kurdistan region of Iraq with the rest of Iraq which is supervised by US to see whether this ‘Other Iraq’ is reality or just a bluff?!
    There is corruption in Kurdistan like anywhere else in this world but definitely not to that scale which you claim!

    • Qandil

      You are a Traitor and the shoes of Barzani and Talabani Traitors!

    • Safeen

      Diako, If you compare Kurdistan region with the rest of Iraq you are comparing yourself with one of the worst areas in the world for corruption, by doing that you are setting a very low standard for Kurdistan which translates to “as long as we are better than the rest of Iraq that means we are doing good” if you want Kurdistan to be the second worst place in the world then you can compare it to Iraq just like the authorities in Kurdistan do. I personally encourage constructive criticism because it can be profitable even if it comes from your enemy, or those who are paid by our enemies. That is if what you are saying about the writer of this article is true. Even if it is true, how come the Kurdish authorities are not trying to better themselves? in areas like free press, budget transparency and why do they put themselves above everyone else. I don’t know if you live in Kurdistan or if you have been there lately, but what they claim to be the other Iraq, can be seen on the outside only with high risers that are owned by the authorities and the clean streets that are made possible by overpaid contractors with the peoples’ money that have been awarded to them by bribery. It is a tragedy that Talabani and Barzani have missed so many great opportunities in the past 8 years to be great leaders to the Kurds. I hope the ones that come after them can learn from the their mistakes. 

    • Zangana

      Diako
      I am not here to defend the this Article because I have some concern about it, but I can not allow myself to call it rubbish as you have done so, instead I will express my opinion at the end of my respond to you , since the main issue here is about Kurdistan and not MR Trendos article
      When asking the author this question {Why you don’t compare the situation in Kurdistan region of Iraq with the rest of Iraq } I dont have nothing to add what Safeen has wrote in responding to you. Read it here again
      {Diako, If you compare Kurdistan region with the rest of Iraq you are comparing yourself with one of the worst areas in the world for corruption, by doing that you are setting a very low standard for Kurdistan } well said Safeen..
      Diako Are you trying to say that the situation in Iraq is different than Kurdistan? If so, then I have to agree with you and here is why
      1 / There in Iraq, the journalist are more free than our Kurdish journalist if you don’t believe me go ahead and ask Ahmed Mera, and Reaben Herdi and many more..whom they have been arrested , beaten or sued for millions of I.D
      2 / In Iraq The Iraqi Journalist Union is very active and doing superb job in defending Iraqi Journalist. while our Kurdistan Journalist Union shamelessly criticizing Amnesty international report and calling them as biased,its real Jock when a journalist Union attacking the integrity of an international and well respected organization such as Amnesty, for supporting the right of Kurdish journalist. on whos side are you .Read Amnesty’s report here { Investigate attacks on journalists in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq http://bit.ly/cN6RbQ }
      3 / There In Iraq, they have worst corruption but they have The Commission of integrity which is not perfect , but yet they have brought charges against hundreds of Iraqi officials among them some ministers, in just last hundred days they have successfully recovered 49 Million dollars, Have we brought one single charge against any official ? why do you think we have done nothing about it !!! is it because our corrupted politicians are some kind of Ghosts and we are enable to identified them yet? Oh please , ask Kurdish children on the street not only they will tell you many names , but also they will show you even their mansions too,,
      5/ In Baghdad the Prime Minster holds an open discussion on TV asking every Minister about what have they accomplished in their 100 days in power, here we dont know what they are up too.every thing takes place behind curtains.In Kurdistan our ministers are untouchable it takes months for the Parliament to bring down on of them to testify , some ministers has refused to show up at all..
      In Baghdad the Government has not called on the arm forces to beat up the demonstrator and arresting many of the demonstrator whom they have been holding demonstration every Friday for the last couple of months ,, here in Kurdistan !!! well you know the rest of the story
      I can go on and on but I will stop here because I am not sure whether you can Handel the truth..

      And this for the author of the article MR Trendos
      Sir ,Now since you have revealed the name of Generals whom , as you clam, they are working for MR Barzani as advisers, can you mention as well any name of those Generals whom were, and some still working for Turkish Government,,hmmm Can not wait for your respond, I know for sure that you know many names but the question is whether you are allowed to reveal them, I wonder why!!!!
      Best Regards
      Zangana

      Zangana

  • MIZOPOTAMIA2004

    WOW

  • Jamal 1404

    Regardless to the genuinity of this Article, I do not see any problem if the kurds get used of the experience of the old US Generals. The Kurdish Government is new and needs much to survive. Ofcourse such kind of help ,one can not expect it without return. Most of the retired Political Presonals in western countries do the same , look at the ex German chancellor, he is working with a Russain Oil company and received millions of €uro. He uses his contacts with the government to make good deals, etc…
    The same with the Gulf countires which evrybody knows, there is no limit of the ties between US and these countries , and it is only to protect them!!!  Now adays the political and ecomnoical interests go side by side in some how we can not distinguish between them. So, please, be aware one day you might be the next..

  • Mamail210

    This article lets me have the impression that the writer is very very angry. So the question is: what is he angry from?
    Is he upset that some of his fellow american generals are making money out of their past career?
    If it is that then its an american western problem, not a kurdish one. This is a completely common practice in the west that former politicians and other high ranking people move into the business domain and often get rich.
    The former german chancellor Gerhard Schröder sits on the advisory boardd of a subsidiary company of the russian Gazprom. His former foreign minister Joshka Fischer is an advisor for Gazprom to drag off the german RWE from the Nabuco gas pipeline to Europe and they make a fortune out of it.
    There are countless examples of this sort. So it is your western capitalistic system that has a moral problem.

    I was disappointed from those generals as well as I heard that they are being payed for their advise and help.
    I was expecting them to help out of passion believing that it would be noble to help a people like Kurds who have suffered so much devestation for centuries and still do.

    But if you are criticising the kurdish KRG for their corruption and other problems then you have to be fair and tell the other side of the story.
    You can’t judge and gage the KRG by the same standards in the west or countries that have been independent and had their sovereignty for a long time.
    We Kurds are just coming back from the deads. We certainly need decades and decades of development to raech a decent level of a working and just society.

    Thosse shortcomings in Kurdistan are no surprise. Other much more sophisticated countries have the same or even bigger problems just look at the wealthy arab countries, Russia, South Africa and many many other places in the world.

    If you are a true journalist who cares about right and wrong then you should not hide what is the core isssue which is the right of teh kurdish people to live freely and be safe of the killings  and destruction done to us by Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria.
    Surrounded by so much hatred and attacks by those countries for many centuries, it is no suprise that you would find a lot of disfunctionalities in Kurdistan which take a lot of time to improvee and come near any western standards.

    By the way you are emphasizing on the sacrifices of the american army and distort the facts by creating the impression as if they came to do Talabani a favour.
    Even the most naiive person knows that they came out of their own american interests and it is wrong what many american journalists and activists tell that the US are supporting the KRG of Talabani and Barzani.
    The truth is the US has misused their status as “so called” friends of the kurds by blackmailing the KRG to back down every time when it comes to a dispute with the arab majority in Bagdad.
    The last blackmail was that from Obama who did personally phone Barzani and forced him to accept an iraqi election law which disfranchised thousends of kurdish votes and forced him to accept the fabricated high numbers of arab voters in Mosul aand Diyala which was a big blow to the kurdish representation in the iraqi parlament.

    You do have a lot of reasons to criticise your country and its system but please do that with your own US issues and not on our backs.
    And if you honour us with your analysis please keep the dimensions right and don’t treat us as if we have been a free and prosperous nation for centries as you are.
    You wouldn’t blame someone who is just coming out of a horrific car accident and say:
    “go away.. your face is full of blood and dirt and your clothes are filthy”.

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    • Sardar Pishdare

      Dear Mr Dilshad Xoshnaw

      Weak up Mr Dilshad, You can stop the freedoms
      of Medea as you stopped in Kurdistan, but you cannot stop freedoms of Medea at
      outside Kurdistan, at the outside kurdistan every journalist have a responsibility
      on what he right, Mr Joseph Trento have more than 35 years as an investigative
      journalist, he is follow a freedom, justice and democracy, he is not the
      impression that the writer is very very angry, if there is a Justice and
      democracy in Kurdistan, Barzani and Talabani cannot pay million dollars from
      Kurdish national money to those hoe sport them to stay in power, is President
      Obama can pay such money to a furan general and diplomat from the USA national
      money ?,
      Mr Mamil, the money hoe Barzani and Talabani gave as gift to those former
      American generals and diplomats such as Zalmay Khalilzad and Mr Yefji
      Bremakove, you can build 100 000 houses for those kurd hoe they never have his
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      • Dilshad Xoshnaw

        Kak Sardar Pishdeare,

        you are saying:

        “You can stop the freedoms
        of Medea as you stopped in Kurdistan, but you cannot stop freedoms of Medea at
        outside Kurdistan..”

        Do you know me? How come that you accuse me of “stopping Medea freedoms” in Kurdistan?

        I am a free individual as you expressing my views. If you assume any relationship with the KRG then you are 100%  wrong.
        I have nothing to do with theh KRG except that I regard a bad kurdish administartion run by kurds, having the poteential to be improved being 1000 times better than destroying it.
        I have lived uner Sadam’s rule.. I have seen the humiliation of my fellow kurds in Turkey and the denial of their very existence by the Turks.. I don’t want that those days would ever come back to Kurdistan.

        If you think that if someone is not 100% anti KRG as some of the gentlemen here, then he must be from the KRG, then you are sufering from “short-thinking”.

        Please read again my comments and relax and try to understand what is said there instead of coming to conclusions on no basis.

        By the way there IS a great deal of freedom of press in Kurdistan if you compare it with the other countries in the middle east, except Israel, which is way ahead of the others in the region.

        In Kurdistan that freedom is far from being perfect but considering the situation and the history where we are coming from it has a remarkably wide variety of media.
        Dozens of radio and tv stations, news papers, internet portals are out there which are owned by the opposition  and non-KRG organisations.

        Those media are publishing every single day articles and comments that have nothing to do with a serious and ethically clean journalism.
        Just look at (sbeiy.com and hawlatio.co). They are full of allegations without any proof and the minimal journalistic double checking.
        They are full of lies, personal attacks and hate speachs against the KRG and President Barzani for which even in Europe or in America those so called journalists would have to jusutify themselves before a court of law.

        We see Gorran members of the parlament in Kurdistan who insult the president of that parlament and disrespect the very parlament they alledge to defend but no one has done anything to them.
        You name the KRG a dictatorship.
        You are either blind or you are evil liars because you jus have to look east at our border to see Iran and look further to the west to see Syria then you would understand wha a dictatorship a la middle east means.

        You all alledge wishing a better day for Kurdistan but practicing character assasination and lying to your own people show wha a desater you would bring to urdistan if you weere in charge.

        Kurdistan is far better than you guys try to tell here. Kurdistan has made a remarkable progress in the 20 years since Saddam was ousted in Kurdistan by the kurdish people.
        And a big part of the credit for that achievement goes to “the kurdish people” in general bcause the kurds “are generally tolerant and compassionate”. Just see how they welcomed the christian minority who fled the terror in the arab areas of Iraq and how helpful kurds have been.

        Kurdistan suffers 1001 shortcomings which is very natural considering our history. So if you want to make it better then start with yoursself and improve something.. do something for your country just like John F. Kennedy said:

        “don’t ask what your country can do for you.. ask yourself what YOU can do for your country”.

        Slaw u rez
         
               
             

  • Sardar Pishdare
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

    Dear Mr. Sardar and KurdishCitizen below.

    It is so unfortunate
    that some Kurds are so radicals like yourselves, the philosophy you go by is
    “if you are not with me then you must be my enemy”. You see the world
    in black and white and God if you were to ever take power in Kurdistan you
    would massacre no less then half of Kurdistan.
    You are radicals! Look at history, radicals are the once that are responsible
    for every drop of blood that has been shed. From Adolf Hitler to Saddam Hussein
    and so on. All that these people had in common was there fundamentalism and
    inability to accept a second opinion.

    As for your prejudice that I am connected to the KRG, Bazani or Talibany in
    anyway, as for you Kak Sardar, just judging by my nick which is similar to
    Ashti “Hawrami”. I declare my world in front of anyone that reads
    this that I will donate one of my Kidney’s  VOLUNATREELY and HAPPILY to
    anyone that you (Kak Sardar and KurdishCitizen) wish me to donate. Does that convince
    you? Are you now ready to apologise for judging people just by their names?

    Mr. Sardar just imagine you having an AK47 and in charge of a group of armed
    men and in a war zone stopping someone like me in a check point. I have no
    doubt that you would shoot me outright just because my name is related to that
    of Ashti “Hawramai”. This only explains the so called “freedom, justice
    and democracy” that you and your liked talk about. Anyhow, in no way I am
    defending Talabani or Barzani, so please kindly do not waste my time with that.

    Furthermore, Kurdistan now needs people that
    have the ability to reform, to put a stone over another stone, not to destroy
    and call for bloodshed. It is such fundamentalism that must take the blame for
    the miseries that the humanity has and continues to face.

    I am proud to say that I have a degree in International Relations and Politics
    from a British university and I am also studying Masters in the UK in the same
    field. That was my opinion on the article which I stated, I do not see the need
    to explain my reasons to anyone.

    But in short, I am not against you, I am against your radical ideas.

    Kak Sardar Kurds for over 3000 years have been divided and
    ruled. It seems that, that policy still works, other can still divide and rule
    us. If you get my point!

    P.s. I shall await your kind replies to prove that I am connected to Ashti
    Hawrami, Barzani or Talabani or even the KRG for that matter in any way
    (financial, political…etc) so that I can donate a kidney and safe a life! If
    you can’t prove that then it is my belief that you are both morally obliged to apologise
    sincerely and revise your sense of justice!!

    https://www.facebook.com/ha.ali

    Kind Regards.

    • Dilshad Xoshnaw

      It’s really embarassing what we see from a few of fellow kurds here. The
      editors of this site must be puzzled I guess. I really feel ashamed for
      them.

      This is a good example of:
      “kurds are very nice to everybody except to each other”.

      It’s sad how much self-hatred you encounter among kurds. A similiarity
      in your name was enough to attack you. This shows how little thinking is
      in the game. It is about: it seems like it.. so attack and destroy it.

      To m  fellow kurds I would like to say:
      of course there is mountain of corruption and incompetence in the KRG
      but what would you expect of a region that never had any experience in
      being self ruled state.
      If you don’t like something, name the defect, try to find a solution and
      do something about it including cricising and not denying anything.
      But what do these anti KRG people want? replace the PDK and PUK? You
      just can’t because they make at least 50-60% of the kurdish society and
      have a long history in being there.
      You can’t make them disappear because that would be just wishful thinking and wouldn’t happen.

      Besides whom do you replace them with? Gorran and the 2 Islamist
      parties? Those have been  part  of the whole corruption, civil war and
      the other shortcomings of our society as well.

      There is simply no significantly large group in Kurdistan that is not corrupt and didn’t commit any sins.
      So the only solution is to keep name teh dark sides, criticise the KRG
      genuinely and educate people about the truth in this country.
      It is “mission impossible” indeed.. just like changing tires while you
      are driving. It is impossible but we have to make it because there is no
      way out unless you want to risk a new civil war!

      Sincerely
      Dilshad Xoshnaw
       

      • Arcoali

        Dilshad, Don’t be foolish, why would these 2 families disappear?  Both families have their own security apparatus, monopoly on government contracts? Billions from smuggled oil and they can sell services to highest bidders – Tehran, Ankara, Damascus…. And not forgetting Baghdad for their annual budget of $10 billion, which fallen regimes does that resemble???  Is this what we Kurds have sacrificed ourselves for?  Please explain how we have moved forward politically or economically since they own both? They continue to play Tehran, Ankara and Baghdad against one another; it is they who have stifled progress!!   They have divided Southern Kurdistan not those who criticise this plastic government.  Are you seriously suggesting they do not have experience is running a government, then what have they been doing for the past 20 years??? Is it so difficult to unite their administrations?? Or could be they can not accept anybody apart from themselves.  It’s abhorrent that both families have no shame to present their sons and nephews as rulers of Kurdistan? What difference is that system to Muberak, Assaf and Qaddifi?    I refute your allegations that all of Kurdish society is corrupt! Do not tarnish all Kurds with the same brush you see yourself as!  Unlike your leaders I and other patriotic Kurds will fight on not for personal fortune but for the day we can truly say Kurdistan is independent!ARCO

        • Dilshad Xoshnaw

          Kak Arcoali,

          emotions of anger and frustration are not a good basis for clear thoughts. I forget for this moment that you start by calling someone foolish.

          Let me remind you of some of your questions. You are asking:
          ” Is it so difficult to unite their administrations?”

          This is a good example how many of those angry kurds disregard the reality and are victims of their own wishful thinking.
          Yes, it can be very hard to unite, be it two administrations or even two cultures. Italy just celebrated the 150th anniversary of the unification of Italy as a state in 1861 by Garibaldi.
          Some say that Italy is still divided and you have even parties like Lega Nord who demand seperating Northern Italy from the South.

          What is the reason fro that?

          Among many other isssues it’s a cultural issue  and a matter of own interests which are not the same in those regions despite the fact that the italian “government” and so many others have been working to strengthen the italian state as a whole.

          This is also a good lesson for many kurdish fellows who believe that you can order from the top of a government and everything will change.
          This is not the case when it comes to cultural and sociological matters.  

          In the kurdish case we have PUK believers and PDK believers. They almost don’t care what their aprties do, whether good or bad, they are always loyal to their party.
          As it happens PUK supporters are based in the Slemani region and PDK in the rest which makes the matter even worse.
          I wish like you and many others that there were only one Kurdistan and
          one adminsitration but the reality is unfortunately different.

          So, you and many others are right in most of your criticism but less right in analysing the causes and as such finding the right solution.

          It’s my view that the incompetence in the KRG must stop for the sake of justice and the well being of the people and the coming generations but you cant achieve that by making the wrong choices about the way to go.

          It would make you more trustworthy if you stopped generalizing and making allegations for which you have no proof. You are saying:

          “..  Unlike your leaders I and other patriotic Kurds will fight on not for personal fortune..”

          In my view you are agreeing unknowingly with one of my main points which is
          the  responsibility of every individulal of our society.
          Because I don’t agree with you on some points you assume automatically that I am on of the KRG people and I am making a personal fortune of it.
          This is unfortunately the main stream mentality among Kurds that only material interests count. Because this is the way how many people think they can’t imagine that there are alsso people who act because of  their believes and values and those people must change themselves before they can demand change from others.

          Joseph Trento, the  author of this article, is an example of someone who acts because of his values and what he believes in.
          His past work shows that clearly. That’s why I have a lot of respect for him even if I don’t agree with him in this case.

          I have absolutely nothing to do with the KRG. What makes me react is my wish as a patriot of a better future for Kurdistan. I am trying to be objective and find the truth no matter who looks good and who looks bad at it.

          I wish you would think less in black or white and see that reality has many more colors.

          • Arcoali

            Kak Dilshad,

            This is about corruption, injustice and the failure of the Kurdish movement.  We both know that unification can happen quite easily but that would involve sacrificing power and money which neither is prepared to do…. those are the realities!  This compounded by both sides playing Iran, Turkey and Baghdad off one another (there’s your black & white gone).  Please don’t try to insult my or other Kurds intelligence by claiming culture issues are the cause. 

            This article was well written, and highlighted issues which both Kurds and Americans should be aware of.   Your initial response to the article was not objective, as you sought to paint a colourful picture of the KRG.  Why would anybody seek to defend an organisation which views its achievements relative to Baghdad’s…. Only you will know?

            Arco

          • Arcoali

            Kak Dilshad,

            This is about corruption, injustice and the failure of the Kurdish movement.  We both know that unification can happen quite easily but that would involve sacrificing power and money which neither is prepared to do…. those are the realities!  This compounded by both sides playing Iran, Turkey and Baghdad off one another (there’s your black & white gone).  Please don’t try to insult my or other Kurds intelligence by claiming culture issues are the cause. 

            This article was well written, and highlighted issues which both Kurds and Americans should be aware of.   Your initial response to the article was not objective, as you sought to paint a colourful picture of the KRG.  Why would anybody seek to defend an organisation which views its achievements relative to Baghdad’s…. Only you will know?

            Arco

    • Arcoali

      Hawraman,
      Do you realize that you have embarrassed yourself when you boast of your academic credentials then go on to attack those who believe Kurdistan deserves better politically and economically.   Since you are defender of tyranny, corruption and injustice I shall refer to you as comical Ali – goolge that genius.
      Where is your aggression when it comes to Barzani and Talabani’s family creating 2 mini thiefdoms and who half heartedly challenge Baghdad for the return of Kurdish occupied land??   Was it not these two families who fought a civil war for the proceeds of Saddam oil smuggling? How long have they played tune “we will unite the administration”, let me tell you 1996 when they USA forced them to agree a truce!!  
      Kurdistan is in the same position politically to where it was in 1991!  Mr. Barzani has tied himself in with Turkey and Mr. Talabani cannot get out of bed with Tehran.  To this day both families refuse to trust one another and because of this they continue to have these relationships with the murderers of Kurds!  Try to investigate the business relationship between these two families and oil companies which they have tied themselves in with, then you will understand why Talabani says an independent Kurdistan is for dreamers.   
      What about the undeclared oil which they smuggle into Iran? If you are Kurd then even you would have known about it before NY times reported it.  How has that business arrangement taken the Kurdish agenda forwarded, other than enriching the personal fortunes of those 2 families??
      Since you are blessed academically, try getting a job in Kurdistan without being affiliated to those families…. or was your response to Mr. Sardar and Kurdish Citizen an attempt by you to get one?.  You can have all the degrees in the world but if you don’t have the experience of a car mechanic like Qubad Talabani than you’re in a world trouble finding a job boy!  

    • Baqi Barzani

      I do not grasp the rationale why when one does
      not necessarily concur with a Kurdish party’s philosophy and ideology, he-she
      is characterized as “Radical or Fundamentalist” here. Expressions such as
      terrorism, fundamentalism, extremism, communism, Islamism, regionalism,
      nationalism are all ploys and tools applied to choke dissenting voices.

  • Sardasht Ottoman

    Please just review this link by AbdulRaman Abu Off Mustafa in San Diego, California. Unfortunately, it is in Arabic. http://www.kurdistanpost.com/view.asp?id=477a5768
    Thanks for all

    • Arcoali

      Hawraman,
      Do you realize that you have embarrassed yourself when you boast of your academic credentials then go on to attack those who believe Kurdistan deserves better politically and economically.   Since you are defender of tyranny, corruption and injustice I shall refer to you as comical Ali – goolge that genius.
      Where is your aggression when it comes to Barzani and Talabani’s family creating 2 mini thiefdoms and who half heartedly challenge Baghdad for the return of Kurdish occupied land??   Was it not these two families who fought a civil war for the proceeds of Saddam oil smuggling? How long have they played tune “we will unite the administration”, let me tell you 1996 when they USA forced them to agree a truce!!  
      Kurdistan is in the same position politically to where it was in 1991!  Mr. Barzani has tied himself in with Turkey and Mr. Talabani cannot get out of bed with Tehran.  To this day both families refuse to trust one another and because of this they continue to have these relationships with the murderers of Kurds!  Try to investigate the business relationship between these two families and oil companies which they have tied themselves in with, then you will understand why Talabani says an independent Kurdistan is for dreamers.   
      What about the undeclared oil which they smuggle into Iran? If you are Kurd then even you would have known about it before NY times reported it.  How has that business arrangement taken the Kurdish agenda forwarded, other than enriching the personal fortunes of those 2 families??
      Since you are blessed academically, try getting a job in Kurdistan without being affiliated to those families…. or was your response to Mr. Sardar and Kurdish Citizen an attempt by you to get one comical Ali?.  You can have all degrees in the world but if you don’t have the experience of car mechanic like Qubad Talabani than you’re in a world trouble finding a job boy!  
      ARCO

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

        It is a big shame you call a fellow Kurd, who has shown utmost respect to everyone else, Chemical Ali. It is a big shame because I am in fact from Halabja, I was 6-7 years old in 1988 when the Gas Attack happened, I came back from the verge of death. For several days unconcious in hospitals with the doctors (Iranians) telling my father that he (I) is now in the hands of God, there isn’t anything more we can do to safe your son. I was seffering from horrible effects of the Gas until a few years ago with no doctor could tell me what was exactly wrong with me, even here in Britain.

        Moreoever, my mum to this day is suffering from horrible injuries and no one can help here, no one can cure her but you call me Chemical Ali. I was going to answer your other comments but to be honest I am not interested in name calling or swearing ..etc. I am only for respectful debates, I especially despise being called Chamical Ali (this Sh*t name). So I wish you all the best.

        • Arcoali

          Hawraman, I compared you to comical Ali otherwise known as Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, not chemical Ali.  If you remember correctly he was the media spokesman for Saddam regime as the coalition forces entered Baghdad or as wiki describes him as: ”He is best known for his grandiose and grossly unrealistic propaganda broadcasts prior to and during the war, extolling the invincibility of the Iraqi Army and the permanence of Saddam’s rule. His announcements were intended for an Iraqi domestic audience subject to Saddam’s cult of personality and total state censorship, and were met with widespread derision and amusement by Western nationals and others with access to up-to-date information from international media organizations”.  Your defence of the KRG is no different to his performance.  With such a tragic background I’m astounded that you continue to defend the KRG since they released the air force pilot involved in the chemical bombing of Halabja!!!!!!! Arco  

  • Aso

    Kaka Dilshad
    The KDP and PUK do not make up 50-60% of the Kurdish society and until we have a true and tranparent election we will sped days guessing the true weight of the KDP and PUK.The argument is that the Kurdish leaders have not served their own people and proved time and again that they would not hesitate in collaboration with our enemies for the sake of money and power. I can not trust a person who up until the 2003 was doing oil business with Uday Saddam Hussien .

    • Dilshad Xoshnaw

      Kak Aso,

      the issue with 50-60% is indeed a difficult one I know. It’s not the votes rate what I meant in the first place. What I really mean  is the kind of mentality, the culture and those typical values that are common among those parts of the society.

      There is no doubt about the big mess we have and the horrible performance and incompetence of the most part of the PDK/PUK..

      The point is: what are the resons and how to make a change towards better rather than make a bad thing worse.

      It’s just I don’t agree with the mindset that many kurdish opponents of the KRG have which simply put says that those at the top of the KRG are responsible for everything and almost never talk about the responssibility of the individuals and the society as a whole.

      This mindset is the same that we have seen in the middle east and arab countries which basically suggest:
      it’s all the fault of the US and the “zionists” and refuse to look at themselves for their own share of the responsibilty.

      Slaw u rez

       
          

      • Aso

        Kaka Dilshad,
        I agree those parties have a power base but simply blaming people for the mess that we are in it is simply not fair. Generally speaking nations are more decent than their leaders ,with a few exeptions in the worls, and the kurds are no different to the rest of the world. The real problem those people ate unfit to lead us. Has to be said they have been clever in using the nationalistic card as a tool in suppressing my fellow people.Every time I go back home I see the bad effect of this corrupt establishment had on my own people.They are spending millions of dollars on these American mercenaries and I can tell you the capacity of hopsitals( of course not the private sector) in Kurdistan has not increased by a single bed since 1991!Where do I start from kaka Dilshad, never ending story of betryal of a nation.
        Slaw u rez

        • Dilshad Xoshnaw

          Kak Aso,

          I think the  views are coming closer now.
          I agree with you that peoples are generally more decent than their rulers. This is true also for Kurdistan.
          I am not putting the blame on the people only but I do think that the opposition and anti kRG activists think and analyse too little the responsibilty of the individuals and the make-up of our society.

          I agree with you also that most of them are unfit to run a 5 million country. The problems and shortcomings mentioned by you and others are in most parts true and genuine. It is not about denying them. The point is how to get out of this mess.
          It is just too simple and unrealistic that many people think we have to replace those at the top and we have enough capable people with the necessary powerbase to resolve the problems of corruption and incompetence etc.   

          There is probably a little fraction in our society that is generally not corrupt and technically fit to do better but the problem is a country can’t be run by a minority of intelleectuals and good willing people. It’s always the political and power balance reality on the ground that decides who can run a country.

          For instance in Germany the ruling christian democrats CDU just decided to quit the nucleaar power in 2022 completely.
          This has been the demand of the green party, the activists and many intellectuals for more than 30 years. Those were not able to enforce that position because the majority of the political powers were against it.
          Only now after decades of fighting those activists have managed a change in the society, supported also by the Fukushima events, so that there is a majority now in the grman society and the political parties and quiting th nuclear power can become a reality.

          Wishing is one thing and reality is another.    

          Our kurdish situation is a distinct one. I know of no other nation who has come out of oppression and occupation after hundreds of years and is still only partially free and the wolves are still surrounding as and want haveus for a meal.

          This is a unique situation. No other nation had the same experience to learn from.
          It’s a demanding task for the Kurds and their intellectuals to find a way out because they would be the first to prove that this mission impossible can be made  possible.

          Many tend to accuse me of being related to the KRG. They are wrong. I am not defending the KRG but I do defend what we have and want to see it develop further untiil it is the way we want it to be.

          Slaw u rez

        • Dilshad Xoshnaw

          Kak Aso,

          I think the  views are coming closer now.
          I agree with you that peoples are generally more decent than their rulers. This is true also for Kurdistan.
          I am not putting the blame on the people only but I do think that the opposition and anti kRG activists think and analyse too little the responsibilty of the individuals and the make-up of our society.

          I agree with you also that most of them are unfit to run a 5 million country. The problems and shortcomings mentioned by you and others are in most parts true and genuine. It is not about denying them. The point is how to get out of this mess.
          It is just too simple and unrealistic that many people think we have to replace those at the top and we have enough capable people with the necessary powerbase to resolve the problems of corruption and incompetence etc.   

          There is probably a little fraction in our society that is generally not corrupt and technically fit to do better but the problem is a country can’t be run by a minority of intelleectuals and good willing people. It’s always the political and power balance reality on the ground that decides who can run a country.

          For instance in Germany the ruling christian democrats CDU just decided to quit the nucleaar power in 2022 completely.
          This has been the demand of the green party, the activists and many intellectuals for more than 30 years. Those were not able to enforce that position because the majority of the political powers were against it.
          Only now after decades of fighting those activists have managed a change in the society, supported also by the Fukushima events, so that there is a majority now in the grman society and the political parties and quiting th nuclear power can become a reality.

          Wishing is one thing and reality is another.    

          Our kurdish situation is a distinct one. I know of no other nation who has come out of oppression and occupation after hundreds of years and is still only partially free and the wolves are still surrounding as and want haveus for a meal.

          This is a unique situation. No other nation had the same experience to learn from.
          It’s a demanding task for the Kurds and their intellectuals to find a way out because they would be the first to prove that this mission impossible can be made  possible.

          Many tend to accuse me of being related to the KRG. They are wrong. I am not defending the KRG but I do defend what we have and want to see it develop further untiil it is the way we want it to be.

          Slaw u rez

  • Sardar Pishdare

    Dear Mr Hawraman Ali,
    1 – I am suppress that you say that you have a degree in International Relations and Politics
    from a British university and I am also now studying Masters in the UK in the same field, at your first comment, you have righted to (Mr Joseph Trento) it is not true, which everyone know what he right it is true.
    2 – you calling me a radicals man, but you most know that the radicals ideologue have a 2 face, one of them they have power and they want to increase they power such as Adolf Hitler to Saddam Hussein, the second face is those radicals hoe they want to free they nation under the power the agreshar, yeas I am a radicals but I want to free my nation under the hand of those Arab, Turk and Persian hoe they want to destroy my nation and remove the Kurdistan over the map.
    3 – peacefully look at my CV and those hoe you sporting them and check which one involve in the civil War between the kurd?, hoe blessing the ante kurd?, hoe selling the Kurd and Kurdistan, hoe med himself a billeuner and put the majority of the kurd under low level of living?, hoe blind the world by the name of democracy ruling as a dictator?.
    4 – In your Facebook, you have not shown hoe you are, also by the way that you reacted to Mr Joseph Trento, this show you have a very good income from the scandal money from KRG, but I have not resaved one dollar from any were, no one stop you to donate your Kidney’s, have paid all my body to my nation, look at my CV in my internet site, I am wended by 35 pieces of mine in 1974, one of the pieces attack my central spin, since this day I levee with have body day and night pain and I have to have this pain until my last day of live.
    5 – I already weak up, I don’t believe any more the AK47 is working and I have not shoot anyone before and I don’t believe I can shoot a soft man laik you, if I want to go in this direction, there is many canal to help me for the civil wore, I believe you are the sportier of those hoe drink the blood of the nation under the name of “freedom, justice and democracy”.
    6 – I am a reformer and I want to teach the Kurd “freedom, justice and democracy” which start from me, I am not put a stone over another to destroy and call for bloodshed, it was under your KRG the women will kills by stone daily and you never right an article on this.
    7 – yeas the Kurds for over 3000 years have been divided and ruled, but we cannot stay for ever under the power of others, I lost have of my body to free my nation and I spend the rest of my live to work on the diplomatic way to free my nation and put the right of “freedom, justice and democracy” in the Madill East.
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    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

      Kak Sardar,

      My fellow Kurd, I am telling you in plain English, and if you want I will also say it in Kurdish, that I have no connection whatsoever to any Kurdish leader or KRG. However, I am not begging you to believe me, you can think that I am Talabani, Barzani, Ashti Hawrami, whatever or even President Obama, it won’t do me any harm but you will only be misleading yourself.

      I respect what you have been through. Please also let you correct you that radicals are those people that want to make “root” changes, they want to DESTROY NOT REFORM what is already done or someone else has done and build a completely new foundation. Radicals do not believe in reform, they only believe in revolution, killing, blood and using force for their purpose. Radicals want to uproot other peoples foundations, get ride of it and find their own’s. If necessary they do all this by FORCE. They do not accept a second idea, with all my respect for you just like yourself and others like you. AND this is what has led to so many wars, death and destrution in history. This is why they are also called fundamentalists, like Islamic, communist, nationalist, anarchist…ect exteremists who can all be called fundamentalists. Fundamentalism in EU and US is a thing of the past. the West only fights fundamentalists now adays, they NEVER support it, even if they do, it is usually until they find out the truth.

      Anyhow, with all the hatered and emotions that you feel for some other Kurds, it will require much more time and it will also require you to question yourself to engage in a meaningful dialogue with you. Something which I do not think can be done without your own initiations and in this short space.

      You therefore, I think, have two choices, it is either take the advice from people like me, who closely understands international politics without feeling ashamed or it is either yourself trying to understand it. If you choose the second option please go and read various books on political ideologies, international relations and particularly The History of the Peloponnesian War (-Read it 3 times!!). Only then you would understand that politics takes precedence over emotions and wars. It is through politics that you wine wars, harldy the other way round or by emotions and over reaction. Only then you would undertand that radicalism, no matter what type, does not work any more, it is gone and will never come back. The world we live in  today is a world where one needs to “convince” other people that he or she is right through respectful debates far from hatered. In the 21st century not many people and certainly the international community will never take anyone serious who has based his ideas on personal hatered, like you for President Talabani or President Barzani. So if one wanted to be taken serious he or she must show a degree of moderation, for instance, do not judge people by their names or colour. Saddam Hussein mass murdered 8000 Barzani man and women because they were simply from the Barzan region or where called Barzanis. If a Kurd wants to eliminate (kill) anyone from Barzan or Hawraman region again then can you tell me what is the difference between that person and Saddam?   

      Bests.

      • Sharazoor

        Dear Hawraman Ali i have been reading the debate between two of you(You and Mr,Sardar)i don’t know him either you and iam not defending him nor you what ever you have written is nicw and make sense regarding of Ideological,Philosophy and so.One thing we have to learn is one plus one equal to two that is no more no less that is fact and it doesn’t matter who says that a poor man a rich man a black man white man a girl a boy a President a Taxi driver a Dishwasher man and Vice Versa who ever says less or more that is wrong could be a President or a poor man….always white is white black is black..Thife is a thife killer(Murder) is a killer could be me you or him.if my brother is a killer i have to say he is a killer i don’t have to protect him if i do i don’t help him i let him do it again if i put him to the Jail that mean i help him.Therefore we have to face the reality we have to learn one plus one equal to two.Thanks Gentlemen( i hope my English is enough to understan)

  • Sharazoor

    I agree with all of you,because each one of you only see what you be able to see,the artical is true because we as Kurdish pepole see the reality,possibility he(Mr,Joseph Trento) for what ever reason crossed the line(exaggerate) he only lives outside of the circle but we are living inside the circle,we know what is going on,the only way we could do just forget the past temporary and we should get united,together for ever if we have our unity we could go forward and accomplish our future.

  • Jack2908

    thank you for wrinting about kurdistan,no one dears to reveal the secrets of Talabani and Barzani .we need more people like you to speak up and save the peop-le of kurdistan from those two currept and brutal families who are conteolling every aspect of like in kurdistan.the american government should be ashamed for supporting the leadership of kurdistan gevernment.trust us they are [Barzani &talabani]are nothing but small saddames

  • Sardar Pishdare

    Dear Mr Mamail210,
    Weak up Mr Mamail210, You can stop the freedoms of Medea as you stopped in Kurdistan, but you cannot stop freedoms of Medea at outside Kurdistan, at the outside kurdistan every journalist have a responsibility on what he right, Mr Joseph Trento have more than 35 years as an investigative journalist, he is follow a freedom, justice and democracy, he is not the impression that the writer is very very angry, if there is a Justice and democracy in Kurdistan, Barzani and Talabani cannot pay million dollars from Kurdish national money to those hoe sport them to stay in power, is President Obama can pay such money to a furan general and diplomat from the USA national money ?,
    Mr Mamil, the money hoe Barzani and Talabani gave as gift to those former American generals and diplomats such as Zalmay Khalilzad and Mr Yefji Bremakove, you can build 100 000 houses for those kurd hoe they never have his on house.
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    Sardar Pishdare
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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=204506560 Hawraman Ali

    My original comment on the article has disappeared so here is a summary of it again.

    To the author,

    I am affraid to say that you artcile is full of exaggeration and it is very misleading. Your arguments are not based on any real data, facts or figures but all on unproved and in-credible claims. I only read half of your article and like the Mitcheal Rubins ones I don’t think it contains anything new, apart from hatred and some hidden sense of disappointment. It is simply basless, for instance, Kurdish leaders still travel on military planes which appears to be from the US Army than private jets and so on…

    Kind Regards, 

  • Jamal 1404

    Dear readers and fellow commentators, I´ve expected to read and see some point of views about this Article. But, unfortunately some persons are trying to pesonalize this article and they have forgotten the content of this Article and what for this article is WRITTEN!. Please, try to make good comments and express only your point of view,avoid personal affairs and stick to the reality of the situation. I gess, one needs to read a good comment and meaningful one which can add some information parallel to his ones. Not to waste time and to read only personal comments. I wish to read some new comments which are based on this Article and how such kind of comments affect the kurdish soceity.The kurdish authorities also in need of meaningful comments to act and react accordingly. To comment and critize this Article one should talk about all the sides of this Article, the good ones as well as the bad ones. For us as a Kurdish community we still need to learn and improve our soceity. The kurdish leaders are also a part of this soceity, we sould try to inform them and express our minds in a way which help the kurdish community. We know the leaders are coming and going the only one will remain is the Community.So, please, try to do something in this way.

    Good Luck

  • Baqi Barzani

    Baqi Barzani

    Special thanks to our
    representatives for their generosity while the families of Anfal are suffering
    to death for not having a simple Air Conditioner system in their lodges.

    Baqi Barzani

    Special thanks to our
    representatives for their generosity while the families of Anfal are suffering
    to death for not having a simple Air Conditioner system in their lodges.

    • SABIR AHMAD

      I strongly agree with you that Peshmargas can save Kurdistan!

  • Baqi Barzani

    To my Kurdish compatriots:

    June 20, 2011

    Today our dear homeland Kurdistan is
    in a very critical stage in history. There is no solution to the current
    ongoing injustice and corruption in Kurdistan. By the time we wake up,
    Kurdistan has already been pillaged by foreigners, and traded by our leaders for
    personal and factional gains.

    I urge you to strongly support these
    two solutions:

    1)    
    Unite the Peshgmarga administrations
    ASAP, purge the military from party loyalists, replace them with patriotic and sincere
    Kurds, and instantly let a junta regime (Group of military officers) to take over
    the current sensitive circumstances until new elections. or:

    2)    
    Form a technocrat government from
    Kurds in Diasporas to run the government until new election dates are set.

    Thank you!

    Bratan

    Baqi Barzani

    • REZA

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

      ONLY A MILIATRY OR TECHNOCRAT
      REGIME!!!

    • Alihassan

      Kurdistan needs a strong military force that can cope
      with both internal and external threats.

      Dismember Peshmarga forces from Iraqi military and strengthen
      our defense infrastructure as much as possible. Peshmarga forces can only save Kurdistan
      and expedite the establishment of an independent Kurdish state. our politicians
      are corrupt.

    • Ayub

       
       

      Why are we wasting an opportunity when we can have a
      Kurdish state?

      Ask for independence. If not now, never again!

    • Osman

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we are a
      nation.

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we reserve
      the right to self-determination.

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we have the
      right to have our own administration.

      Bejid a free and independent
      Kurdistan!

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we are a
      nation.

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we reserve
      the right to self-determination.

      Whether the world is going to approve it or not, we have the
      right to have our own administration.

      Bejid a free and independent
      Kurdistan!

    • Delawar

      To:  Baqi Barzani,

      We could have established an independent
      Kurdish state in 2003, had it not been because of our lousy and unplanned
      leaders. Our leaders have forgotten the main goals and true aspirations of
      Kurdish masses. Even though Barzani persistently backs this notion, but in actuality,
      he has taken no steps toward making it materialize.

      Barzani and Talabani are the biggest
      tycoons in Kurdistan, along with their American partners. They could never
      think of such a profitable business opportunity.

    • Shawan

      Talabani-Barzani  are
      prepared to resort to any inconceivable method to retain their position. They won’t
      simply relinquish their seats for technocrats. The only way they leave is by
      coercion. Even an uprising did not prove successful!

    • Mike
  • Baqi Barzani

    NEW BOOK

    “Post-Saddam Iraq, CIA and Kurdish leaders”
    is the title of a new book soon to be published.

    The book is inordinately exceptional
    and it contains 327 pages. It touches on the clandestine US-KRG relations. It
    reveals some top secrets information, including, documentations, evidence,
    pictures, and recorded conversations, as well.

    Very intriguing and revealing!

  • Namo_nl

    Mamail210  : While I Read what part of Mr Joseph Trento noticed you saved ads and the propaganda being spread in the media within the territory of Kurdistan and want to hide the truth also hide your colleagues to inform the region and which Zanh Mr. Joseph Trent. I think people are sensible people see and find the comparison between their passion aimed at Iraq’s future . I see most of the error is in the authority of the masters of the region and Iraq at all, they are not real representatives of the people of  kurdistan ,and they are not reliable at all

  • Namo_nl

    I support  the truth of what I read in the article by Mr. Joseph of Toronto and Oabran opinion frankly, because most of the masters of power, whether in power and or opposition to the province kurdistan and Iraq are not the representatives of natural meanings of the people and this imbalance leads to illusion and cowardice when they want to hide the facts from the citizens in the region in order to hide their inability to address the problems at the present time, and low self-esteem and fear come from Iraq.

  • Sharazoor

    Gentlemen please pay attention; we have sold out for long time ago, it’s late and too   late and will be late if we don’t realize what is going on, we have dig down all the way down so we could find a Miracle or a Hero, as I said before we have been sold out by America, British, Europeans or could be Russian too we have one chance to get the last Check before it cash out because the Train is going fast very fast and we are far away from it almost every one inside except us, we don’t have even one Standard Language or we don’t have any Identification for who we are how we could Identity our self as a Kurdish while we don’t have one, In Iraq we Iraqi, in Iran we are Iranin,in Turkey we are Turkish and in Syria the same that is the terrible thing we have to hurry is too late to argue our self to write or read the Article read and write is over we have act before the train go away if this time the Train go we will vanish in the World we need help just from our self no body else. For next time